22 responses to ““bad artists copy. great artists steal.””

  1. Sarah - Dodeline Design

    This is a great topic and a very difficult subject. As visual people, most artists are influenced by other works and ideas and reference materials. It’s very hard sometimes to know where your inspiration comes from and it’s hard to ever say for sure who had what idea first. It’s something I find scary as a business professional sometimes in both the capacity of not wanting to inadvertently create something that seems to close to someone else’s work OR to have someone do that to me. I think as long as there is respect, honesty, openness, and generally good intentions, we’ll be okay.

  2. plainjane

    Here is what I want. I want people to look at my garters and say “that is a Never a Plain Jane design.” They can also say, “oh, this reminds me of such and such costume from Burlesque” or “hey, I think I saw that trim on one Shabby Apple’s fall dresses.” Sometime I will make a garter that looks strikingly similar to someone else’s. Why? Well, maybe we were both watching Dirty Dancing over the weekend and then we watched the same tutorial on a sewing blog and then we both found a great stash of ostrich feathers. Seem like too much of a coincidence? It really isn’t because someone interested in making garters is going to be interested in many of the same things I am. Such is life. And seriously? How often have you seen fashion recycled?

  3. Terri

    So true. As much as we all want to be completely original, no one experiences life in a bubble. We’ve all seen, read, touched, smelled, heard, experienced throughout our lives. Those things that resonate with us become part of our artistic creations. As long as you make those creations your own and don’t outright copy another’s work and pass it off as your own, your work is original. And honestly, the more varied experiences you have, the better your work will be.

  4. Bobbi

    Very thought provoking post and comments! This is something I stress over a lot, to the point of it really stifling my own creativity, for fear I may be subconsciously copying someone. It’s nice to hear someone discuss the subject in a non-emotional way, that addresses the reality of the stimuli filled environment we live in today.

  5. Gwyn Michael

    Thanks for the feedback!

    As Teri says I think it comes down to the commitment to never outright copy and pass off work as our own we are OK.

    I also like Jamusch’s line “Authenticity is invaluable; originality is non-existent”.

    Authenticity comes from the heart and soul and whatever color’s it. The influence may or may not be on a conscious level but it is there. As long as we are putting our unique stamp on it we can own it.

  6. linda

    I’ve certainly felt the fear of inadvertently creating something that someone else has already done…until I realized it’s probably all been done :) The point is not let all this stuff STOP you from creating what you want to create. I think there are people who literally copy and paste and that is wrong. But from there, it’s all very blurry. I’ve just decided to put my efforts elsewhere…instead of worry so much.

  7. Gwyn Michael

    Ha Linda! I agree, just needed to get it off my plate so to speak.

  8. Maureen

    This is an interesting topic — so many aspects to consider. It’s something that I question about with my own work every now and then. As creative people, we absorb a lot of images, ideas and stories. We file them away in journals, notebooks or on bits and pieces of paper so that our creative ideas can percolate over time. Some of these images also remain the far corners of our minds so when they resurface, we don’t always remember where the idea originated. As others have said, I think it comes down to intent. Was the intent to duplicate this art or rather use it as a springboard to go off in a unique direction, though with similar subject matter. Once we share our art and ideas, particularly on the internet, they are out there beyond our control and it can be difficult to determine what the various artistic intentions of others. Thanks for bringing this up in an open-minded discussion without accusation.

  9. Susan M Brown

    Interesting topic and juicy comments…
    As an artist, I am always learning and experimenting from everyone and everywhere around me – and I think most creative types are this way as well. I’m always reading books, magazines, going to exhibits, taking workshops and teaching others – how does one learn otherwise? Sometimes even when teaching others, I learn from the students – it’s a give and take. I have a quote that I have on my studio wall by Pierre Auguste Renoir…”ART MUST BE INDESCRIBABLE AND INIMITABLE…” and I go about creating with this in mind – and if someone wants to copy it – GOOD LUCK! True artists are a living, breathing, evolving entity – it’s in our veins, we have to create…we can’t live without doing so. Theives are just that – there’s no passion to create, just greed – plain and simple.

  10. Leah Quinn Designer

    Great post Gwyn!

    My previous digital art professor and mentor relayed Picasso’s quote as well. I find it funny, that through my photographs of other people’s architecture, I will create my own art.

    As seen here, http://www.leahquinndesign.com/tag/victorian-gate/

    I find that new art work can come from anywhere, including work done by someone else. So in this case, I created art from a beautiful wrought iron gate I photographed. Obviously I did not create that gate, but created new art from someone else’s art. As long as you site where you were influenced, I know us artists will be okay with ‘stealing’ someone else’s art. Just don’t pass it off as your own… lol

    1. Gwyn Michael

      I like what you did with the gate Leah! As someone that uses photos as the main element of my art I am always copying what is and making it my own. When I manipulate a tree am I stealing from nature? I don’t think so. It is all art!

  11. Isobel Morrell

    Making toys also creates similar dilemmas. Am hopeless at making a pattern up from scratch: on the other hand, I can create endless variations on a theme by changing the colours, and facial features of my foxes, bears, coyotes and rabbits. I tell myself that I am not stealing anything: why else were the patterns published? So, I’ve followed this discussion with interest and find myself oddly reassured that I’m not stealing anyone’s original idea, although I am (hopefully) improving on it. Currently, most of my patterns I’ve had in my toy file for nearly 50 years, so don’t think the originators are going to have a problem anyway. It’s the newer patterns I’m coming across that are niggling …. just a little! Thanks for article and comments.

  12. Gretchen Baneyx

    Great topic, great comments! I’m always surprised when someone keeps an artistic idea secret because it’s ‘theirs’. Where did that person think they got the idea *from*? Do they think the brain lives in a vacuum? We are constantly bombarded by information whether we know it or not. So the inspiration for my next piece may – either consciously or unconsciously – come from someone else. I think that the key part is that an artist (or artisan) brings his or her own creativity to each piece. I don’t see that as stealing, but I do get what Picasso was driving at. Make it your own!

    1. Gwyn Michael

      Yes, Gretchen I too am dumbfounded when someone gets possessive about an art technique or idea. That was the premise for the whole discussion. I am so glad the comments and discussion have supported my gut feelings.

  13. Katie

    What an interesting and timely topic! I don’t consider myself an artist by trade, but perhaps my ruminations will be interesting for this discussion. We are all creators.

    When we talk about making something our own, I think a handy way of breaking that down is by differentiating between concept and form. I think that we can draw inspiration from something either in concept or in form, but to copy both is, well, copying.

    So we can borrow concepts and execute them in our own way, or we can appropriate a form for expressing our own (or just a different) concept.

    At least that’s the litmus test I use for myself. When I’m creating, I of course collage from the world around me. But the combinations I create are distinctively mine.

    If I am drawing both concept and form from the same place, I know that I’m probably crossing a line.

    1. Gwyn Michael

      Love this interpretation Katie! Yes, concept or form, but not concept and form!

      The person that accused me of stealing was trying to own a concept. What I had done was actually alter her concept of collage in a way that no way resembles her work. The form was very different.

      This simple answer solves what seemed a complex issue that has been haunting me for 2 years.

  14. Chantelle

    When I see work similar to my own I usually wonder if I have seen it before, and was subconciously influenced by it, and am psyched that what I am doing seems current and on trend. To immediately leap to the conclusion that they must be copying me seems so conceited. As plainjane said, to think that others in your field are not looking at the same inspirations is just foolish.
    We should all just be glad that God does not concern Himself with copyright.

    1. Gwyn Michael

      Oh how well put Chantelle. If God were concerned with copyright we would all be out of business.

  15. Ellie Di

    I can’t even count the hours I’ve spent in fear and frustration that I’m ‘stealing’ someone else’s work. That makes me a bad writer/artist! That means I’m not creative! Right? Of course not, but that’s what my inner critic likes to tell me.

    Over the last year, I’ve seriously loosened up my grip and come to approximately the same realization you’ve outlined here. While I may be stealing an idea, my use of it creates something uniquely mine – just like we can tell the top right tree is Van Gogh’s. Adding my touch to an inspirational idea brings something new to the topic at hand, making it new if not wholly different.

    Copying and plagiarism are the enemies, and I’m simply not built do indulge in them (seriously, I have a physical aversion to both). Taking someone else’s work and passing it off as your own is kind of gross, and that’s where the line is crossed. Ain’t nothing wrong with being inspired by the work of another and creating your own under its umbrella, but using that idea as it’s made is where the problem lies.

  16. empapers

    Reading this post and the wonderful quotes contained in it gave me such a sight of relief! As a graphic designer I struggle with this a lot. Sometimes I don’t want to log onto Pinterest or surf around on the design blogs because how can I *not* end up being inadvertently influenced by everything that floats past my eyeballs?

    On the other side, I have had the experience of having someone steal my work. A customer tipped me off to it actually. It was of my (free) tandem bicycle wedding invitation. Now, that tandem bike is a bit of clip art that has been used by everyone and their dog. I wasn’t the first and I won’t be the last to use it and it’s not like it’s the most original idea on the planet. However in this particular instance the layout, the color, the typography everything was almost IDENTICAL with the exception that a *slightly* different font had been used.

    I confronted the person and she took it down. I was mostly annoyed at the her, I thought ‘Come on, put a little effort into it, don’t just rip it off 1 to 1′ I think this speaks to the quote about taking the work somewhere new.

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    [...] THIS is an argument I’ve heard a lot about in the crafting community. I’ll write a posting about it another day, but for now, I think it’s really important to think about copying and theft of art and what it means for the art world and the artist. http://www.scoutiegirl.com/2011/06/bad-artists-copy-great-artists-steal.html [...]

  18. Deliah

    This is SO true. Who doesn’t steal these days? A copy is when you simply use someone else’s work. Stealing is when you take, as inspiration :) Lots of my work are, especially, inspired by Nightwish. I relate incredibly well to Nightwish, so it’s hard NOT to steal work from them! Beatles stole stuff, Disney stole stuff, Nightwish stole stuff! Miley Cyrus is an example of making carbon copies, since she stole the song “Party In The USA”.

    I’ve had people in the past tell me I ripped off Nightwish, but it’s inspiration and influence. Tuomas, from Nightwish, steals stuff. He stole titles like Creek Mary’s Blood and Song of Myself :) He never made it as his own original work, though. He openly tells where he gets his inspiration from. I do, too. I do get pissed off if people think I simply made copies of someone else’s work, but who doesn’t make originals these days? I admit, few of my works do look like carbon copies, but I still made that piece of work my own, and gave my influence some credit. Like I said, what isn’t original these days?

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